-50% of Southern Baptist Pastors Believe in Tongues?

A surprising study shows that half of the Southern Baptist senior pastors actually believe in the gift of tongues. On the downside the study also shows that recent Southern Baptist seminary graduates are (55%) far more cessationist in their views.

The study also found that 66% of non-SBC Protestant senior pastors believe in the gift while only 33% said they didn’t.

Comments:

There is a far greater openness to the gift of tongues than what I believed was even possible; particularly among the Southern Baptists which have usually been characterized as being in the ‘cessationist’ camp.

If a similar poll was taken in 1906, I wonder how it would have compared to this one. I believe that it would have shown that opinions and practices have changed drastically in 100 years since Azusa Street. The gift of tongues is no longer an oddity practiced by poor and ignorant folks living on the other side of the tracks and worshiping in a barn.

-Repentance and Revival

This is a continuation of some of the same things we were talking about in a previous post: Revival: Change Now or Change Later. The following is a prophetic word sent to me from ‘Streams of Revival’ from Charisma +online for May 22, 2007, given by Lou Engle (www.thecall.com).

He is suggesting that now is a good time for Christians to pray, fast, and turn to God with all our hearts; that the Lord would like to release a great spiritual awakening in our land. Also, Lou Engle cites Joel 2 as being particularly meaningful for our time and situation:

“I believe that if we respond in repentance in this moment of time, we could release a great revival of confession of sin and a cleansing by the blood of Jesus that could draw us back into marital faithfulness with our Bridegroom. I believe a great spiritual awakening could be at hand that would affect the elections of 2008 and overthrow Jezebel’s death march in this nation.”

“What must we do? God’s holy prescription for our diseased state in times of national crisis and moral collapse is in Joel 2, verses 12-13, 15-16, 18 and 28, which describe a solemn assembly of united fasting and prayer:

“Now, therefore,” says the Lord, “Turn to Me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning. So rend your heart, and not your garments; return to the Lord your God, for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness; and He relents from doing harm.”

“Blow the trumpet in Zion, consecrate a fast, call a sacred assembly; gather the people, sanctify the congregation. Assemble the elders, gather the children and nursing babes; let the bridegroom go out from his chamber, and the bride from her dressing room.”

Then the Lord will be zealous for His land, and pity His people.

“And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions” (NKJV).

-What is Revival Anyway?: God Visiting His Church

This is a continuation of a previous article: What is Revival Anyway?: A Simple Definition. What does it mean to say that revival is ‘God visiting his church’? After all, He is always with us and all Christians are suppose to be a ‘Temple of the Holy Spirit’ with his presence dwelling within, right? So what is so different about ‘God visiting his church’?

One of the Scriptures that has always affected me greatly is the call of Isaiah in Is. 6clip_image002. Isaiah up to that time had probably lived in or close to King Uzziah’s court since he wrote the book on the King (I Chron. 26:22clip_image002[1]). He had probably been in the Temple many times and felt the presence of the Lord, but that day was different for Isaiah, God visited his temple and specifically visited Isaiah and everything changed after that.

You say: ‘well that was ‘Old Testament’ what does that have to do with us? Besides that was God commissioning a prophet, something special and unique.’ Answer: I believe that God is going to visit his church in a unique way and call his entire church to be his prophetic voice to a culture and people in need of repentance.

You ask: ‘What does entire church mean?’ Answer: the entire ‘Body of Christ’- Protestant, Orthodox, Charismatic, Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, Reform, Baptist, Evangelical and every other faithful group you can name or Christian denomination you can think of. Many will respond and some won’t, but for sure it should be interesting and controversial.

Now back to ‘God visiting his church’, what does that mean and really look like? We can always look at revivals in the past and read about how God has visited his church before. However, there always seems to be something different or unique about each visitation and revival.

An article in the March 2007 issue of Charisma Magazine (now in the archives) by Robert Heidler and Chuck Pierce is full of good insight about what it means for God to visit his church: “Watch for the Next Great Awakening”. Read the whole article, it is tremendous!

In their article, Heidler and Pierce identify three levels of God’s presence found in the Bible and find revival in the third category:

God’s omnipresence. When we speak of God’s omnipresence, we mean that God is present everywhere. No matter where you go, He is there.

God’s indwelling presence. When you trusted Jesus, the Holy Spirit came to live inside you. If you know Jesus, the Spirit of God is present in you in a way that is different from His general presence everywhere.

God’s manifest presence. God’s manifest presence becomes apparent when God reveals Himself in a given time and place in a way that is discernable to your physical senses. God is always here, but we don’t always discern Him. When God manifests His presence, He makes His presence known in a tangible way.

When God manifests His presence to His church corporately, we call it revival. Revival is the glory of God coming into His temple.

Many of us have experienced God’s presence in church services and conferences and yet no one would claim that it was revival. The changes to many leaders who experienced the renewal at Toronto were tremendous and are still affecting the church, yet it did not really touch society as a whole in North America.

So what makes true Revival different? I believe that it is a matter of degree. When you read about ‘The Great Awakening’ in America’, the presence of God filled the church and brought repentance that spilled out into the street. When Charles Finney walked into a factory in 19th century New York, God’s manifest presence came in with him, the work stopped, people repented, the whole city was changed, and 500,000 came to Christ. When revival came to Wales it was said by children:

“Don’t you know? Jesus lives here now!”

What we are talking about when we say that revival is ‘God visiting His church’ is a manifest presence of the Lord that is life changing for everyone present. A tangible presence that brings repentance, healing, and anointing that flows with every member out the back door of the church and touches families, neighborhoods, cities, and entire cultures and nations.

-Revival: Change Now or Change Later?

We have already seen several leaders fall. I believe that now is the time to get our churches in order, particularly leaders. Some seem to think that is the enemy who is exposing leaders and embarrassing the church. However, I actually believe it is a work of God to purify his people and to prepare them for revival.

Will the church need to change before revival comes or will revival come first and bring change? It could be a case of choosing to change now or having to change later and maybe suffering loss.

I received the following from Charisma Online: Streams of Revival, May 8, 2007-Archives. It is a prophetic message from Matt Sorger. It is right on target:

The sifting is not over. There is more sifting that is coming into the church. “Tell My people not to be shaken when they see the shaking happening. There is a sifting hand of God going through the corporate body of Christ right now.” Either you can let God sift you in private or you can let Him sift you in public. The choice is yours.

The season of mixture is over. There are things that God and His mercy have tolerated for a season. But that tolerance has reached its end. We are coming into a season during which we can’t play games anymore. We can’t play with sin–and still expect to see the world won for Jesus Christ. We can’t tolerate inward things in our hearts.

There is no more time for the spirit of tolerance of the spirit of this age. We are coming into a season during which God is going to pour out His power. Either you will be ready for it or you won’t be. That season is just upon us.

Comments:

Over the last few years I have read a number of articles and research papers which claim that Christians live and look no different than their non-believing neighbors. I don’t believe that that is entirely true; however, the ‘spirit of the age’ does seem to have entered into the church on a number of fronts. Will the church need to change before revival comes or will revival come first and bring change? Either way, change is on the horizon and leaders need to be in the forefront.

-What is Revival Anyway?: A Simple Definition

Years ago when I was in seminary, one day in class we were studying Jonathan Edwards’ famous sermon: “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”. No one there was impressed with Edwards’ work. The professor made fun of it. One of the seminarians suggested that if he preached it at his church the head pastor would fire him for sure. None of us could figure out how the sermon became so influential and could launch any kind of ‘Great Awakening’.

If reading the sermon does nothing for you, read the accounts of those in the congregation that day. When Jonathan Edwards was preaching ‘Hell Fire’, those in the pews say that their feet were dangling over the fires of hell and they were actually experiencing it: heat, smoke, and feelings of complete hopelessness and terror. The alter call was particularly popular that day.

I have read all sorts of modern ‘psychological’ explanations of what really happened there. I’ll tell you what really happened -God showed up!

Most of the time during the Welsh Revival they didn’t even have sermons as such. They sang and prayed & God was there in their midst and everyone knew it.

Why did hundreds of people crowd into a barn on Azusa Street in LA? Believe me there were plenty of fine stone and brick churches downtown that had plenty of room; but the Spirit of God was in the barn.

When people talk about revival they talk about all the stuff that happens. Cities and nations changed, people healed, thousands coming to Christ. Bars closing, police with nothing to do, society and culture overhauled.

Bill Johnson Pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California in an article- “Ignite the Fire” (Charisma Mag. March 2007) talks about living in a ‘Revival culture’ with the expectation that God is already there. In regards to revival he says:

“(Revival is) happening, It’s just on a small scale. People are asking for something to happen that’s already been released, and you have to cooperate with what he’s already given.”

In another article- “Watch for the Next Great Awakening” in the same issue, Robert Heidler & Chuck Pierce define ‘Revival’as:

“God visiting His Church”

It is true that God is really always there with us, however when God visits His church in a special way, everyone knows it.

-Revival at the Crystal Cathedral?

Note: This is not a satire or joke, it is the real thing. The Holy Spirit fell upon the people worshiping in the Crystal Cathedral on Palm Sunday, they never got to the offering, they had an alter call and started an impromptu baptismal service instead. As far as anyone can tell, between 500-800 folks gave their lives to Christ or rededicated, and hundreds were baptized by Robert H. Schuller and his staff.
This next part is going to sound bazaar and this is why I put the note at the beginning.

It all started with a testimony by Evel Knievel (the stunt man) about how God grabbed him one day:

“…the power of God in Jesus just grabbed me. All of a sudden, I just believed in Jesus Christ. I did, I believed in him! I rose up in bed and, I was by myself, and I said, ‘Devil, Devil, you bastard you, get away from me. I cast you out of my life.’ I just got on my knees and prayed that God would put his arms around me and never, ever, ever let me go.”

Pastor Robert A. Schuller (who took over for his father last year) said that he looked out on the congregation following the testimony and noticed most people were sobbing. Instead of continuing the service and calling for the offering which was scheduled next, he had an alter call instead:

“I went up front, and I said, ‘I believe there is somebody who needs to be baptized here. Maybe up on that balcony or by that door or by that wall. So come forward,’” Schuller told CT. “We started singing ‘Amazing Grace,’ and I started baptizing people, baptizing them as fast as I could.”

Read the whole article from Christianity Today, April 16, 2007.

I am laughing so much that I’m having a hard time finishing this article. God’s sense of humor blows me away sometimes. Thousands of Charismatic/Pentecostal churches are praying for a touch from God and he visits the Crystal Cathedral of all places, following the testimony of Evel Knievel. LOL. Nobody could ever make something like this up.

Praise God! This is definitely a sovereign move. It takes a miracle to change the order of a worship service in most of our churches, especially when it is a TV broadcast like it is at the Crystal Cathedral.

Re: “My Conversation with God”-John Piper Responds and I Respond to John Piper

John Piper today posted a response to the anonymous “My Conversation with God” article that appeared in the March 2007 issue of Christianity Today and was posted on-line. I also responded to the article in a rather different way than Dr. Piper.

John Piper starts out his article telling us that he too has heard the voice of God speaking personally to him and gives a detailed account of the experience. However, the article turns in a different direction at the conclusion. Please read his post: “The Morning I Heard God’s Voice” before going on to my comments.
Comments:

John Piper is an incredibly gifted and anointed Bible scholar/teacher and his books and articles have blessed and enriched an entire generation of Christians. Some of his books are among my favorites. However, his article made me sad today. Particularly since I always look forward to his writing with a certain expectancy and today I was disappointed.

In the later part of his posting he responds to the earlier article -“My Conversation with God” and he says this about it:

What makes me sad about the article is not that it isn’t true or didn’t happen. What’s sad is that it really does give the impression that extra-biblical communication with God is surpassingly wonderful and faith-deepening. All the while, the supremely glorious communication of the living God that personally and powerfully and transformingly explodes in the receptive heart through the Bible everyday is passed over in silence.

And then:

I grieve at what is being communicated here. The great need of our time is for people to experience the living reality of God by hearing his Word personally and transformingly in Scripture. Something is incredibly wrong when the words we hear outside Scripture are more powerful and more affecting to us than the inspired Word of God.

My Response:

For me, it is wonderful and essential to experience the word of God in a variety of ways. While I am praying and meditating the Holy Spirit reminds me of things to pray about and changes that need to be made. When I am reading the Bible, the words leap out to me and become the word of God for me personally. On a number of occasions I have experienced the ‘voice of God’ speaking literally to me. For me all these experiences of God are Biblical and all are “surpassingly wonderful and faith-deepening”.

What does “extra-biblical” mean? Does it mean that God is now limited to only speak to us through the scriptures? Only the printed and translated words are to be trusted? I have studied under some of the top Bible scholars in the world and yet they were not believers. They knew the words far better than I ever will, and in the original languages. But it wasn’t the Word of God for them.

The words of the Bible become the Word of God for Christians because believers can experience the same Holy Spirit, who inspired the words in the first place. When believers read the words of the Bible today they are inspired by the Holy Spirit all over again.

The same Holy Spirit counsels us in our prayer and meditation. The same Holy Spirit teaches us and may even speak words of prophecy to us or through others. The same Holy Spirit inspires and anoints teachers and writers like John Piper. The same Holy Spirit enlivens the words printed on the pages in our Bibles.

It is his use of the words ‘extra-biblical’ that bothers me the most. It is way too close to ‘un-biblical’ and many will read that meaning into the words. According to the Webster’s Dictionary ‘extra’ used as a prefix means: outside, beyond, or besides (e.g.: the Mormon scriptures and theology are ‘extra-biblical’- outside, beyond, and besides the Bible). Can anything that the Holy Spirit does be characterized as ‘outside’, ‘beyond’ or ‘besides’ the Bible?

The Bible is the Word of God in a special unique way. The scriptures are the foundation of our faith and all other experiences must be tested and understood through His infallible Word. None of the other experiences or ‘words’ that we may receive should ever replace or contradict the Bible.

I believe that this is John Piper’s major concern; that some may see their own experiences and personally received ‘words’ as more important and as a substitute for the Bible. The scriptures should always be the primary source for Christians along with the Holy Spirit which enlivens the Word.

However, as important as the Bible is, the really great need of our time is for people to experience the living reality of God that enlivens the Word, the Holy Spirit who comes into the lives of all those who respond to the call of God, to come and have faith in his Son Jesus.

-Revival Among the Muslims -Part II: Vision- 100 Million Coming to Christ?

A Continuation -read the previous article first: “Revival Among the Muslims -Part I: 6 Million a Year Coming to Christ

We left off talking about how incredible it was that 6 million Muslims are said to be coming to Christ every year. Sheikh Katani was sounding the alarm on an Al-Jazeerah interview.

As great as that sounds, I am actually looking for more than 100 million Muslims to be converted from every Muslim nation. Now that sounds nearly impossible. Nevertheless, our God is God and our Lord is Lord over all. Even over the principalities and powers of Islam.

Shortly after 9/11/01, I had one of the clearest and most incredible experiences that I have ever had with the Lord. I was sitting in my easy chair watching the aftermath coverage on TV one evening, and I was casually asking the Lord why he allowed such a tragedy to happen to our nation, and I was wondering about the future.

 

The next thing I knew I was in the midst of an open vision.

 

I was on a hill overlooking an ancient city with an army circling the walls. Then the trumpets blew and the walls and the gate at the front of the city came a tumbling down and the army advanced into the city to conquer.

 

Then the voice of the Lord spoke to me, He was standing behind me: Do you know what you are seeing?

 

I said: Yes, It’s Jericho.

 

Then the Lord said: No. It’s Islam. The prince of Islam has exceeded his authority. Soon there will be a new crusade, not a crusade of spears and swords, but of the Sword of the Spirit, of healing and miracles, of signs and wonders;

 

and 100 million Muslims are going to come to Christ as the firstfruits.

 

When I was back in my easy chair I started thinking about 100 million and how impossible that seemed. Yet that was only supposed to be the ‘firstfruits’ of the harvest?

Does this mean that 100 million Muslims are going to come to Christ, but that is just the beginning of a greater harvest? Wow. I believe that is the message of the vision. Praise God!

As with any spiritual gift, one should always use discernment and I submit this message to you with that qualification and understanding.

-Revival Among the Muslims -Part I: 6 Million a Year Coming to Christ

According to an interview on Al-Jazeerah with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, over 6 million Muslims are being converted to Christianity in Africa every year. 6 million sounds like a lot, but I’m looking for a major revival that touches every Muslim nation and brings 100 million to Christ.

One Hundred million Muslims converting to Christianity sounds rather improbable doesn’t it. After all, most Muslim countries are closed to missions and many do not allow conversions from Islam. I know how it sounds; I have been living with this idea for over five years now and have only dared to mention it publicly on two occasions. Yet that word and figure came to me in one of the clearest and most incredible experiences that I have ever had with the Lord.
One hundred million is such a large number considering the circumstances and my faith for it is so inadequate, yet I have continued to pray and look for the beginning of major revival among the Muslims. Nearly five years passed before I began to see the seeds of revival. In the last year, evidence for the beginning of a Muslim revival finally began to sprout to the surface:

In July 2006 I read an incredible report from Heidi Baker of Iris Ministries in Mozambique quoted on The Revival Blog. It told of Healing, miracles, and hundreds of Muslims coming to Christ. My hope stirred within me.

Later that month I read an article in the July issue of Charisma Magazine: “Uganda’s Miracle” by Kyalo Nguku. It tells about a major move of God in the Southern part of Uganda, Africa. In the 1970’s, Idi Amin murdered between 300,000-500,000 people in an attempt to convert the nation to Islam. In response, God raised up Christian leaders who began a movement of intercession and a ministry of healing and miracles. Today, the move of God is reaching into the highest levels of the Ugandan government, the church is growing at a phenomenal rate, and Muslims are beginning to come to Christ. What a reversal.

Then in August and September there were two articles in Charisma Magazine that gave me real hope for a greater Muslim revival. First article was “The Muslim Who Heard God’s Voice” (August 2006), the story of Evangelist Christopher Alam. I believe that soon God will be calling out 1000’s of Muslims like Alam, in miraculous ways, to bring revival among their people.

The second article was “Storm In The Desert” (Sept. 2006). It started out this way: “More Muslims have come to Christ in the last two decades than in all of history. God is orchestrating a profound miracle in our generation.” The article went on to say that over 522,000 had been converted to Christ. That seemed incredible at the time and a real boost to my faith.

Then over the last weekend in February (2007), I read two posts which really do seem to confirm the beginning of major revival among the Muslims. First I received the following article from Charisma+online by J. Lee Grady, from his Fire In My Bones column (To read the article go to Archives at the top and click down to: 02-23-07 “A Radical New Sound in Indonesia“).

According to Grady, more than 60,000 churches have been planted in Indonesia in recent years. Also, Christians in 500 cities in the country have organized prayer altars where believers will storm heaven for a national revival. All of this is happening in the largest Muslim country in the world.

Then I visited the Revival Blog and found the You Tube Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya. He claimed that in Africa, every hour 667 Muslims converted to Christianity. That everyday Islam lost 16,000 Muslims, and every year over 6 million Muslims were coming to Christ. The video ended with a long line of Africans being baptized in a river by Heidi Baker. Praise God, what an incredible video. (Note: The video only lasts a few minutes, well worth seeing)
So the Muslim revival is beginning in Africa and Asia, but I believe that it will spread to every Muslim nation and people. The Gospel will be preached in a major way to every Muslim nation, even in places like Saudi Arabia where it is illegal. 6 million a year is a great start but I believe that there is more to come. …To be Continued…

-“My Conversation with God”: An Anonymous Testimony That made My Day

I just finished reading an incredible article that I received from Christianity Today. It actual made my day and my night also! It is an anonymous testimony from a professor of theology which is obviously not Pentecostal or Charismatic. In fact he says:

I’m a middle-aged professor of theology at a well-known Christian university. I’ve written award-winning books. My name is on Christianity Today’s masthead. For years I’ve taught that God still speaks, but I couldn’t testify to it personally. I can only do so now anonymously, for reasons I hope will be clear.

A year after hearing God’s voice, I still can’t talk or even think about my conversation with God without being overcome with emotion. That’s one reason I know it was real; I’m not a person who shows emotion easily. Plus, I’m a skeptic about things supernatural. Not that I don’t believe they can happen; I just doubt most miracle stories except the ones in the Bible. I’ve even been known to criticize publicly what I consider to be overly experiential forms of Christianity. I suppose that makes this story especially ironic.

Here’s the link and the title: “My Conversation with God“. It is well worth the five minutes or so it takes to read it. warning: Kleenex might be needed. I had to hunt some up half way into it. Read my comments following:

Comments: Stuff like this happens every day in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles. However, when the Spiritual gifts start breaking out in the life of an regular Evangelical -admittedly non-Charismatic- theology professor who continues to be self-conscious about it, can real Revival be that far behind? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Actually I am doing both right now.

I really believe that the Lord is going to be moving in new and unique ways among all Christians, particularly among leaders and Pastors. Watch for healing and Spiritual gifts to informally break out in churches and places where they have never been recognized before. This is like a small first wave. Look for more to come later.